Katie Hunt has had pivotal roles in several amazing companies, including Warby Parker, Hinge, and Showfields.

Things were going great for her career-wise until she faced what she describes as “an epic fail.” Her business shut down, and she was forced to move back home with her parents.

She was down, but not out. After some much-needed rest and reflection time, she received a LinkedIn message that she first thought was a prank, but it led to her co-founding a new company, Oh Norman!, with fellow dog lover Kaley Cuoco. Their mission: “make joyful, cutting-edge products that improve the lives of the animals we love.”

With health and wellness offerings like “Your Breath Effing Stinks!” and “Calm the Eff Down!,” Oh Norman! has amassed a devoted following of pet parents who love the science-backed results of the products, the cheeky vibe of the company, and Oh Norman!’s charitable efforts to help animals in need.

I chatted with Katie on a recent episode of How Success Happens about her unpredictable career path, the growth of Oh Norman!, her advice to founders, and getting the definitive answer to the age-old question: who is better, dog people or cat people?

Listen to the entire episode here or wherever you get your podcasts. And check out highlights from our conversation below, which have been edited for length and clarity.

She wanted to start a business, and she put her team in charge of finding people who might be able to help her do that. And so I got a LinkedIn message that was something like, “Have you ever thought about co-founding a celebrity company?” It felt like a prank to get that message, but I responded and eventually found out that on the other side of this is Kaley Cuoco.

Now she is one of the highest-paid actors of all time. She made, like, billions for The Big Bang Theory. She does not need to have a company in any way, shape, or form, but she has a rescue farm with over 200 rescue animals. This is her true passion in life.

She wanted to create a company that gives back from day one. And so when I met her and she told me all the things that she wanted to do, it was just like a light bulb that went off for me.

I thought, “This person is exactly who they say they are.” I think what sealed the deal for us is that we are two of the only people who rescue elderly chihuahuas. We both have a love for these stinky, toothless dogs, and we think they’re absolutely beautiful!

Norman was Kaylee’s first rescue dog. This entire company is dedicated to Norman. “What would Norman do?” is sort of our ethos.

If you could imagine building a company where a dog founded it, what would they want? You would make sure that everything you’re producing is in sustainable packaging.

You would make sure that every person, end-to-end, who touches the product is treated ethically and is paid fairly. And you would use all-natural ingredients. You would never use anything that could hurt an animal. This is baked into the DNA because it’s what Norman would want.